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Hey i will come down in the next day or so and buy some and maybe one of those big horseshoe crabs

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The DT"s is at the Store,
Help me out and buy some Guys.
If I can sell it, we'll get more.....



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awesome man i hope you ordered alot lol

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Awesome!!!  Cant wait!

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I ordered DT's Live Phytoplankton tonite for Thursday arrival at Pet Partners on State St.

We'll have the real thing to feed your Feather Dusters, Clams, Sponges and most everything else.


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I am currently using coral frenzy and some frozen food i picked up  from pet partners, I have seen great results from the coral frenzy and reef plankton if your wanting to see some growth from your coral i suggest to try it, its worked well for me so far. everything likes a treat now and then



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Here's another Coral Food Recipe I just found.....

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Reef Aquarium Food

 

Idea of this is to make a food mixture that will feed everything in a reef tank in one go. Fish (herbivores, omnivores, carnivores), shrimp, large polyped corals, small polyped coral, anemones, brittle stars, fan worms, sea squirts, and so on. It is also very convenient, with a batch lasting a month or two being made at the one time and it just has to be thawed and added to the aquarium.

What actually goes into the food mixture depends on what is available and the type of animals that are in the tank. There is a list of possible ingredients below. The more herbivores there are, such as tangs, then the more vegetable matter you put in, the more suspension feeders then the more small food particles etc. Just adjust to the needs of your reef. As you go along, you will learn what they like, and which you have success with. The great thing about it is that there are so many different foods within the one food source. Therefore there should be something for all the organisms in the reef aquarium, and it also ensures that it is meeting all the nutritional needs of the organisms too.


Assorted frozen items ready to be blended.


Items after blending, note that is hasn't turned it to mush, but "shattered" the items.

 The easiest way to make it up is in a blender, but you could also do it using one of those hand 'Bamix' type blenders. Make sure though, that it is not reduced to a really fine paste, otherwise there will be no larger food particles for the larger organisms in the reef aquarium. So judgement has to be used which ingredients to add at a particular time in order to keep them from being turned into mush. What I have also done is cut up some shrimp meat up after it has been blended, and the stirred this in to give some larger food chunks. So of the foods it is best to add after the rest has been blended, or chopped up before the rest is added. Points about when each should be added are below in the ingredients list. It is a good idea to add a little water to help it form a thick slurry.


The blended mixture ready to be put into the freezing container.

Now you have a wonderful reef food. To keep it as such, so it will last a long time, and can be conveniently used freeze it. There are several ways to do this: in ice cube trays, baking trays, or a plastic bag. The idea is to make it into a size that you can feed to the aquarium for one feeding. Depending on the size of the ice cube trays, you may have to split them in half once they are frozen. Or alternatively just water them down by adding more water to the cubes before freezing. If you do it on baking trays then put down a bit of baking paper first, spread it out around 10-15mm thick and freeze. Then you can either cut it up into the sized required, or break it off as need. With the plastic bag, just lay it out flat and follow as per the baking trays.


Mixture with water in zip lock bag, flat, ready to freeze.


Frozen food from the zip lock bag, being broken up with knife into appropriate feeding sized pieces.


Food ready to use.

This I usually fed once or twice daily to OZ REEF. I place the frozen food into a small glass of water from the aquarium and allow it to thaw. Then using a baster, it is dispersed into the water and then injected into the aquarium. Using the baster it can be directed at specific organisms if the need arises, such as shrimp, corals, shy fish, brittle stars etc.

A list of possible ingredients are as follows, with the amounts that I place in a typical mixture:

Nori

This is dried seaweed, and herbivorous fish absolutely love it. It is used to wrap sushi, so it can usually be found in the Asian section of the supermarket. When you buy it, it is in thin sheets, just a bit thicker than a sheet of paper and is a dark green colour. Get the plain version, not flavoured. The best idea is to shred this first, before adding the other ingredients, when it is dry. And then remove it, blend the other things, and stir into the mixture when it is finished. Add one sheet.

Shrimp

Good stable food for all carnivorous organisms. A few larger pieces are a good idea for larger fish, large polyped corals and anemones to have. This is usually the largest component of the meat part of the food, adding about 10 shrimps.

Scallop

Another good stable food. The good thing about this is that it can be minced up really fine, into a paste. So can be a good suspension and fine food particle feeder to small polyped corals, fan worms etc. Add about 6 scallops.

Squid/Calamari

Most likely cheaper to use squid, but if you can only get calamari then that will have to do. Have to be careful, as this can be difficult for the blender to chop up, and may get wrapped around the blades. Add about 6 rings.

Crab

Another good meat to put in. I have not been able to find any decent crab meat at the market, only the 'seafood mix' stuff, which is really just a mix of cheaper, lower quality stuff.

Octopus

The small entire octopuses are quite handy. They blend up really nice, and because it includes the entire organism, there is a lot of different nutritional value in it. Add about 4 octopuses.

Mussel

Another good food variation. Add about 4 mussels.

Fry Food

This is the small bottled product that is used to start a culture to feed fry. It is a good food source for the fine suspension feeders, such as clams, sea squirts etc. Add one of the small bottles of this, about 10ml.

Yeast

Another good fine suspension feeder food. About 1 teaspoon per mixture.

Flake Food

This will ensure that they are getting all that they require. Add the flake at the end, by stirring in, it does not require blending. It will absorb all the moisture in the mix before being frozen and disperse into small pieces when it is thawed. Add about half a handful.

Bait Fish

Last time I was at the market, I spotted a small, white bait fish so I gave it a try. It seems like it was a good move, as the fish relish these food fragments in the mix. Add about a handful of this.

Vitamin Supplement

This is just to make sure that they are getting all that they require. It is likely this is not required, but I am just making sure. I use a bird multi-vitamin and it is very cheaper than anything directly for an aquarium. Add about a teaspoon.

Brine Shrimp

I plan to use this in the future. Just stir some in after the mixture has been blended. If it is frozen, then thaw out first. Can also use newly hatched brine.

Fish Eggs

I have heard of a few people using these in their mix, just don't use Russian Caviar. smile.gif This makes sense though, as an egg has a lot of nutritional value and it is meant to feed a growing organism and tend to all its nutritional needs until it can feed itself.

Shrimp Eggs

Saw this mentioned around the traps also.

Mysid Shrimp

Fish absolutely relish this food source, so if you can get them they make a wonderful addition. Stir in after the mixture has been blended.

Chicken Egg Yolk

Another good type of egg to put in. Cook the egg yolk, then just add to the blender. Add towards the end as it does not have to be cut up, just stirred well in. Once again, the egg is to act as a source of nutrition for the growing chicken, so it has a lot of vitamins and minerals in it. Another type of food for the suspension and filter feeders again, as will quickly break up apon injection into the aquarium.

Zooplankton

If you have access to this, they are usually sold as a frozen food from the local aquarium store, then another great food to add. Thaw first, then stir in after the mixture has been blended. If you happen to have your own cultures of this type of stuff, then that can be added.

Bloodworm/Earthworm

Many people like to feed these type of things to their tank, personally I don't like feeding anything that is non-marine to my reef. But, if you feed this, or are comfortable with it then it can be quite easily added. Best idea might be to cut it up and stir into the mixture after it has been blended.

Spinich/Romaine Lettuce/Broccoli/Pea

Same as with the last ingredients, I don't particularly like to feed a terrestrial food such as this, but many swear by it. Might be a good idea to shred these up separately, then stir in at the end so that you have more control over the resulting size.

Anything Else You Normally Feed

Add anything to the mixture that you would normally feed to your reef. And use your judgement to deterime whent to add it, how to cut up etc, so that the correct food particle sizes are aquired.

As you can see, this is quite a list of possible foods that you can put it. But you do not have to put them all it, this is just some examples of what to put in, and some is what I personally use.

So give it a go. You will find it very convenient, and your reef inhabitants will love you for it. Let me know if you think of some other foods that you have tried, I will add them to the list, and the success you have had.

 



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Hey!
   I wanted to update this thread about some new products:
Rod's Food looks promising:
 http://www.saltycritter.com/foods/rods-food.htm

Ocean Nutrition Nano Reef Coral Food:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=18504

Also, Reef Chili looks like a good prospect too:
http://www.reefchili.com/


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maybe me too

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im in on that too

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I will pitch in on a bulk order of coral frenzy

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We will probably need to buy in bulk.


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  coral frenzy is very difficult to find for me anyways ive heard it has great results

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I have used the Coral Frenzy and Like the results, Corals Polyp Out more and I saw Noticable Growth.
**I would like to see the TCRC get a case so the members can use this fine product.

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got some black powder and found some coral frenzy. I have used the coral frenzy , Lee suggested it , but thhis is first time on black powder. I have only been using it for about 4 days but i hope to be able to ell a diff in two to three weeks.

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Nice article Monty plan on trying out some of the info , thanks.

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I tried to make my own food as well in similar fashion to this and it seemed to work very well I never really considered the veggies in it like he did but hey fish need veggies too lmao cool I am going to try another recipe and see how it works in my tank ill let you know what all I use and how I use it.



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OK, Slipper asked me to find an Article on Reeftank Feeding.

I hope this works well for everyone. Sanjay is Awesome.

I will post some home made "Reef Soups" soon.

*If anyone has a recipe or an Article on this, send it to Slipper


Sanjay Joshi
Feeding a Reef Tank
May 3, 1998

In the past years, the reef "experts" advocated minimal feeding of reef tanks to limit the amount of nutrients in the reef tank. I have been feeding my reef tanks for several years now, and believe feeding a reef tank is beneficial to the health of all life forms present in the tank.

The early advice of not feeding reef tanks was based primarily on the notion that reefs are very nutrient poor and the reef habitants, esp.corals could generate all their energy requirements through photosynthesis and fish could survive eating off the live rocks. Adding food would only increase the bio load on the tank and hence the nutrients (nitrogenous products, phosphorous, etc). Feeding regimes often touted were feeding sparingly once every three days.

I am going to focus the talk primarily on SPS coral, but it should be generally applicable to all reef tanks. Let me first start with a few facts on coral nutrition. Hermatypic Scleractinian corals (primarily SPS corals) use two modes of feeding - Autotrophic and Hetrotrophic. The autotrophic mode involves translocation of the photosynthetic products produced by the symbiotic zooxanthallae to the coral polyp tissues. The corals spend energy for the following functions: respiration, mucus production, growth and reproduction. Research has shown that the total energy demand cannot be met by photosynthesis alone. Respiration accounts for 60-70% of the energy budget of the coral, and for most hermatypic corals the ratio of gross photosynthesis to respiration is slightly greater than 1. Hence corals need to provide the additional energy needs via other means. The other means used by the corals are the hetrotrophic mode of feeding. Hermatypic corals posses the unique ability of making use of all modes of feeding known in sedentary benthic animals.These modes of feeding are:
1) Predatory prey capture by the polyps (zooplankton capture)
2) Sedimentary filter feeding using mucus nets (bacterioplankton)
3) Consume DOM (dissolved organic matter) via active transport of molecules through cell membranes

To determine what corals feed on in the wild, researchers evaluate the gut content of corals in the wild and also experiment with the animals in laboratory. Evaluation of the gut contents of a Monastrea coral contained copepods, ostracods, mysids, menatodes, polychaetes and other zooplankton. Suspended organic material ingested by corals via sedimentary filtration included bacteria, protozoans, detritus, feces of fish, etc. The size of prey captured by the polyps can be larger than the polyps. Interestingly, it seems the scleractinian corals rejected algae and other plant material. Research indicated that even if plant material was ingested it was not digested and regurgitated. This has interesting implications for the hobbyists since it leads to the conclusion that "green water" or phytoplankton (micro marine algae) may not be a suitable food for hermatypic scleractinian corals.

Some of the laboratory experiments were conducted using Artemia Nauplii as food. These are basically a form of zooplankton. The polyps easily captured nauplii of size 0.7-0.9mm. Corals with larger polyps (e.g pocillopora, stylophora) also captured Artemia nauplii upto 1.4mm. Research in predatory feeding has shown that, even in corals with polyps active in the daytime, polyps hunt more efficiently at night.

In ambient conditions on the reef (with wet bio mass of zooplankton ranging from 0.5-4 mg/L, bacteria 1.5-3 X 10^6 cells/mL, and DOM ranging from 0.5-2 mg of C/L ), as a rough average - scleretnianian corals could compose their energy balance as follows: 60-70% via photosynthesis, 10-20% predation, and 10-20% by feeding on DOM and bacterioplankton. The hermatypic soft corals are basically similar in respect to the scleractinians, but there is a wider range on the degree to which autotrophic sources of nutrition are used. Most researchers are of the opinion that octocorals are in general weak predators compared to the scleractinians, and may ingest passively floating particles of detritus, forminifera, eggs of slow moving larvae of inverts, etc.

Feeding Strategy: If you are convinced that reef tanks need to be fed, the next set of questions relate to feeding strategy. What should be the frequency of feeding?

Ideally, maybe the frequency of feeding should be targeted to maintaining a base level of plankton, similar to that found in the reefs. I have not given it much thought on how to do this I just try to feed my tank at least twice a day. Once in the morning before I go to work and once at night just before the lights go out. Another mode of feeding that is often used, is to feed more infrequently but to flood the tank with food, turn the skimmer off and let the corals feed for a few hours, before turning the skimmer on again. Personally I prefer the "less food more frequently" approach. A word of caution here. Don't starting dumping a lot of food into your tank right away. The population of bacteria and other life forms to process the increase in food takes time to build up. The population of bacteria and other zooplankton in the tank is also a function of the available food supply. So if you are starting to add more food to the tank, do it gradually.

Should we feed the higher life forms (e.g fish) and let the others take care of themselves, or should we attempt to feed all life forms in the tank? Given my current lack of knowledge on the availability of food for all the various life forms in the tank, I have been taking the approach of trying to feed all the various life forms with the hope that their nutritional needs will be met. My feeling is that if I can get the lower life forms (copepods, amphipods, mysids, nematotes, etc to live and possibly multiply) they will provide a more stable eco-system that will require less maintenance in the long run, and provide a larger food web for the corals.

What to feed? Since hermatypic corals are primarily carnivores, the best food may be live zooplankton. But I don't have access to good source of live zooplankton, nor have the ability or time to raise them. In the absence of such food, home brew blended food mix, Artificial Plankton and Rotifers, phytoplankton, rotifers and artemia nauplii can be used for food. My food recipe (based on what others have also used sucessfully): Here is my recipe for food that I have been using for a while now. My goal with this recipe was to be able to feed the corals as well as the fish in my tank. I don't really use a fixed formula but wing it as I go along. I basically go to the sea food section in the grocery store, and pick up several shrimp, squid, sea scallops, mussel, clams, etc. that I can find. The other main ingredient I use is Nori. Nori is a great food for the fish, and the herbivorous fish love it. In fact, all my fish including the lone anthias will eat nori. Nori can be found in any oriental store (just make sure and get the unflavored kind). I also add other dried sea weeds that I have been able to find in the Chinese and Japanese grocery stores.

I first throw the nori (and other seaweed) into the blender and shred into small pieces. Do this while its dry and it breaks up into nice size pieces. I remove most of it and leave a hand full in there and then add half the sea food mix along with some water and blend it into a fine liquid paste. Then I add back the rest of the nori, the remaining sea food mix, along with some spirulina flakes, vitamin drops, some yeast and chop it in the blender so as to give some larger chunkier pieces. Place the mix into the freezer bags and spread it thin in the bag to allow breaking off pieces easily, and freeze I figure the finely blended stuff will work fine to feed the filter feeders and corals, and the larger pieces along with the nori works well for the fish, and the several serpent stars that I have.

The exact proportion of each is not really all that important, I just try to make sure that there is enough variety to satisfy all the live critters in the tank. I have been using this for over a year now, and has worked great. I have recently experimented with adding broccoli, carrots and spinach to the mix. I have seen the tangs eat the pieces of spinach, broccoli, and carrots. Some other ingredients that I have added to the food include fresh fish, brine shrimp, freeze dried plankton, dried blood worms, and other fish food I have laying around. The basic idea was to create a one shot food recipe that will take care of the complete spectrum of life forms in the tanks. I feed about a 2" square piece of this "gourmet" food every day in my 180G tank.

Recently, I have been adding a "pinch" or two of Artificial Plankton and Rotifiers (APR) that is made by OSI and available through Aquatic Eco Systems. Aquatic Eco systems also has a wide range of larval feeds intended for clam, osyter, and other aquaculture that may be very well suited for feeding reefs. If you try anything other than APR, I would like to hear about your experiences with it. After using the APR, I started to notice increase in the number of sponges and filter feeders in my tank Also, the existing sponges increased in size. About a month ago, I also got some of the cryo preserved microalgae that Craig Bingman mentioned in his article in Aquarium Frontiers. .I have been using 10-12 drops of the concentrated algae in my reef, every 3-4 days. I turn the skimmer off, for several hrs when feeding micro algae, to keep the food from being removed by the skimmer. .I bough the marine algae with the intent of feeding the SPS corals, but it research seems to indicate that hermatypic scleracatinian corals do not feed on algae matter. .But I will still continue feeding it, as means of possible supplying food to the filter feeders and the other micro fauna in the tank that may ingest it and possibly benefit from it.

Conclusion: I personally believe in feeding my reef and trying to provide a range of food that will support a healthy, wide range of life forms in the tank. Right now the approach I am taking can best be described as "feed more, skim more" approach, rather than creating a "true ecosytem" approach and trying to provide a self sustaining food web. I'll leave that to Eric Hugo and Ron Shimek smile.gif This talk has probably raised several questions, which should create some interesting discussions. Unfortunately, I wont claim to be an expert in coral nutrition, so don't be surprised if I answer some questions with "I don't know J". should have been "i dont't know" smile.gif OK. Open for discusssion and questions.

Is microalgae growth a problem when feeding a reef?

 

I have seem some increased growth of micro algae on tank glass, which is not really bad since it releases back as food when i clean the glass .

 

I recently purchased a tubastrea and am having trouble with it. I tried tubifex worms but they don't seem to work.

 

The food mix I describe can be used very sucessfully with tubastrea. Just add a little teaser near it to first get it to open up.

 

 

What does DOM stand for?

 

Dissolved organic matter.

 

If corals can indeed ingest DOM via active transport at the levels found in nature, What is the effect on the same coral in a reeftank, with considerably higher DOM?

 

Good question, one that I cant really answer with confidence. My guess is that given the adapatability of these corals, they may be able to adjust thier basic intake of various forms of "food" upto a certain extent

 

You suggestiond on feeding are for a reef running a skimmer, correct? Any suggestions/cautions on feeding a skimmerless reef?

 

Sorry, I have not run a skimmerless reef, so I will stay away from making any wild ass guesses

 

Is there any problem with using oysters as part of the food mix?

 

I would think not. I even used octopus once and had some dye in the food from the octopus. I have just been informed by Eric Hugo, that oysters may be a good food item since they have an anti-vibrio capacity.

 

Do you have a point of contact for Aquatic Eco Systems and cryo preserved microalgae that Craig Bingman mentioned in his article in Aquarium Frontiers

 

Aquatic eco sytems has a web site, that I think is www.aquatic-eco.com (will need to double check). for the cryo preserved plankton see CB's article on aquarium froniters.

 

Do you target feed sps corals (such as stylophora) or generally feed the entire tank at once?

 

I used to target feed, but now I just feed the entire tank. I have strong enough flow in the tank, it gets spread around very quickly.

 

Please discribe breifly the bioload in your tank?

 

My tank is a very packed SPS coral tank (180G), with about 20+ starfish, 2-3" sand bed and 15 fish. several shrimp, and sea cucumbers.

 

Is it ok to buy dated seafood, or should the fish get the fresh stuff?

 

I dont see any problem with the dated stuff, I have bought some shrimp before that the groceery store was going to throw away, as not fit for human consumption.

 

Where do you get the APR product?

 

Aquatic eco systems.

 

Do u have lysamatas, and if so, how do u keep them from trying to pinch the food from the corals?

 

THe food is basically floating all over the tank, so pinching is not really a problem. Piching only becomes a problem if you feed in chunks that dont fall apart

 

Have you tried Wasatch's Velvet Green and Rotifers. You said that you don't have a good source for rotifers. Do you think that it is cost prohibitive to buy them from such a source?

 

I have not tried Wasatch's Rotifiers... if I do (an I think I will to get a culture going using Moe's V8 juice method) it will only be to get a culture. Too expensive to pay for shipping every time.

 

Does scraping algae off the glass release toxin into the water?

 

I would doubt it would relase toxin into the water. In fact the diatoms and micro algae scrapped of the glass would make good food.

 

How do you feed that 2" square of food? (eg Do you thaw it in tankwater?)

 

I just hold in front of a strong stream of water from one of my pumps. I have even fed frozen chunk to an anemone without trying to explicitly thaw it

 

I would be interested to hear more about the fact that SPS do not utilise phytoplankton. You said that the researchers still found it in their gut though, didn't you?

 

The few papers and references that I came across all seem to indicate that the algae products are not digested by the SPS corals. Clearly the dendroneptya do utilize it. I will be glad to share the reference with you if you contact me later .

 

Do you use a plenum? or just sand substrate?

 

I just have 2-3 sand bed. NO plenum. All live sand from the Keys (when it was legal to get)

 






-- Edited by Monty at 01:36, 2008-08-25

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as a Miracle."


Jacques Cousteau



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